Friday, October 12, 2007

Early Info on November Cards!

There is some information trickling about two of the five cards slated for the month of November along the Beltway.

The Saturday, November 17 Left Hook Boxing card at the ABC Sports Complex in Springfield, VA has three bouts already made. Undefeated Front Royal, VA cruiserweight Terry "T-Brick" Roy (6-0-1, five KO's) is slated to take on his most accomplished foe to date in veteran Fort Washington, MD cruiserweight George Holder (8-7, seven KO's)in a four-round matchup. Roy is coming off his third straight first-round TKO, stopping Levi Jackson on September 15 at the ABC Sports Complex. Holder has not fought since August 31, 2001 when he was stopped in the third round by Russ Shifflett at DuBurns Arena in Baltimore.

Dumfries, VA cruiser Derek "D-Mos" Amos also returns to action against Arlington's Jonathan Haggler in a six-round encounter. Amos (15-25, nine KO's) broke a three-bout losing streak with a four-round majority decision over Willie "The Heat" Taylor on September 15 at ABC. Haggler (18-1, 13 KO's) was also on the September 15 show and stopped Alonzo Cutchins in the first round.

And in what should be a solid matchup, two transplanted DC boxers will battle in a six-round middleweight matchup; Montgomery, AL's John "No Mercy" Mackey (6-0, three KO's) will take on Roanoke, VA's Charles "Murdock" Norwood (3-1, one KO). Both men are originally from the Nation's Capital.

Also slated to be on this card are Andrew "The Doo Man" Farmer, Jaime "The Punisher" Palma, Tommy "Sparkplug" Neal and Travis "O.T.T." Mallin. Promoter Scott Farmer is working with matchmaker Joe Hensley on this card.

Meanwhile, There's also preliminary information on the Ballroom Boxing card slated for Thursday, November 29 at Michael's Eighth Avenue in Glen Burnie, MD. No matchups have been signed but promoter Scott Wagner is reporting that Carson McCourry, Danny Kisner, Horace "The Reason" Grant and Alexander "The Great" Johnson are all slated to be on the card along with the first Ballroom Boxing appearance as a pro for the undefeated Mike "The Persecutor" Paschall. According to Wagner, Paschall has fought at the Ballroom many times as an amateur, but this will be his first time as a pro.

Speaking of the amateur part of the card, heavyweight Nick Kisner will be back in the Ballroom on November 29.

We'll have more info on all our November cards as it becomes available.

106 comments:

Anonymous said...

Haggler may DESTROY Amos. Mackey vs. Murdock could be good.

I wanna go to this, but I got a GMU hoops game to attend.

Anonymous said...

Yo, nobody cares about your schedule, man. That's great you've become a boxing fan, but really man. Haggler might not actually beat Famous Amos. He's a vet and if he ain't scare of this guy, he could give him some rounds, and even whoop his ass. I always want to see Doo Man. "Murdock" and John Mackey will be a good fight. Where is "Money" Mike? I heard he would be on this card? Lots of faults but he can fight and he's fun to watch, very unstable...

Congrats on Tommy "Sparkplug" Neal making his recovery.

Geoge Holder after all these years... Awesome, when is Dana Dunston coming back?

Anonymous said...

Good Luck Nick Kishner! I think you are a much better boxer than your record indicates. It is clear to me that you should have more than 8 wins. You will do better in the pros. Just hang in there-ok.

Anonymous said...

Where is Money Mike? I heard he would on this card?

Money Mike went on a seafood diet to train for this fight. Unfortunately it was the wrong diet because he's now hovering around the 200 lb mark.

When asked about what went wrong with the seafood diet, money Mike was heard to respond, "Man, I dunno... I just see food an' I eat it..."

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha! What he says is true!

Besides, I'm fighting Butterbean in December anyway.

Mike Sawyer

Anonymous said...

Warren Clatterbuck is waiting for
Money Mike to eat his way out of
his weight class so he can come out of hiding.
It looks like Mike is well on his way judging by the last time I saw him. Looked to me like mike was
tipping the scales at around 200.
It's okay now Clatterbuck you can come out now we won't let anybody hurt you.

Anonymous said...

Warren "The Mack" Clatterbuck, yeah right. More like Warren "The Wack" Clatterbuck! Or how about this one -- Clatterbuck Ain't Worth a Fuc********! Bam! Step up and fight somebody with those pumped up arms! Step up and fight George "War Time" Rivera and get beat down buster brown!

Anonymous said...

So Haggler is a VA resident now? I wonder where he trains.

Linda "Great Shot" Siadys said...

I would think Haggler Trains at EAST WEST in Ashburn.

Anonymous said...

Haggler is a big bum who has fought absolutely nobody! He belongs on VA where they can build bums like him. Terrible for the sport of boxing!

Anonymous said...

Linda good guess but thats where john Hagglers brother Joe rains not John.
Both guys are origionally from Vienna Virginia and a few years ago John moved to North Carolina
where he now resides but is fighting abroad.
Linda great shots from the last show at ABC.

Anonymous said...

I just looked up Haggler's record on Boxrec.com. He's only fought two guys who had a winning record. That's Fuc*ing pitiful! That big bum belongs in VA fighting on those backwater shows in rat holes like the ABC. Like that piece of garbage is ever going anywhere!

Linda "Great Shot" Siadys said...

Anon...Jeeez why don't you just tell us how you really feel?
Haggler looked pretty good in his last fight.

What illustrious state are you from where they only build heroes and people like you who make bold statements cloaked?

Anonymous said...

Terrible for the sport of boxing.
And what makes you such an expert
that you can call some one like John Haggler a bum.
I bet you wouldn't be so fast to make a statement like that if you were on the end of one of his punches.

Anonymous said...

The person making all the negative statements,a federal I.D. is not that hard to get so why don't you
go get one and see if one of the local promoters will give you a chance.
Maybe your even a heavy weight and you can show us just how easy it would be to kick John Hagglers Ass

Anonymous said...

Hey Mike I want to train you for the fight with Butterbean.
Our training diet will consist of Deer meat and greens ,lots of greens.

Linda "Great Shot" Siadys said...

I saw John Haggler fight and I was only able to get 2 pictures because he knocked whoever he was fighting down in the first round. So why in the world does that make him a bum? What difference does it matter if it's DC/MD/VA? It's all local and it may not be kissin' cousins...but definitely under the umbrella of the Beltway Pugalistic Fam.

Linda "Great Shot" Siadys said...

Anoy...
You said " Haggler only fought two guys who had a winning record"

When I looked it up here is what I saw:
won 18 (KO 13) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 19

So 16 of them didn't have winning records...he the important point is he only lost to....DRUM ROLL....1!
So why are you so gleeful about your stats???

Anonymous said...

And his only loss was because he dislocated his shoulder during the fight.
John Haggler is a BEAST.

Anonymous said...

I know their won't be many people that will give Amos a chance but a man that wears a chicken headress
into the ring has got to be one bad mama jama !

Linda "Great Shot" Siadys said...

Amos! I have seen him fight... I think maybe 5 fights, so I am not the best judge, but he is a character. When he is ON he is on and when he is OUT THERE he is out there. In his last fight I saw him be both! He continues to surprise me.

Anonymous said...

It's amazing how critical some people will be in anonymity. Haggler looked vicious when I seen him last. There were a lot of good fighters on that card.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, it is easy to get a Federal ID -- just ask all of Jon Hagler opponent. What a bum! He's a bum's bum! I say P I T I F U L and Hagler was his NAME - O! If he ever step up, and I mean ever, his ass will get knocked out stat, flat, and fully fuc*in stacked! Bum! Go ahead and fight in that shi*hole against punch drunk 40 plus year old guys! Who you gonna fight next? Willie Taylor? Jaysen Waller? I heard Josh Hall is coming back and he's got to be close to 60! Heck, VA would probably give him a Federal ID and sanction a fight betwen Hall and Haggler. Heck, come to think of it, I'd take Hall by knockout ouver that protected no good, going nowhere bum with the over inflated record! P I T I F U L and Haggler was his Name - O!

Anonymous said...

Haggler's record from BoxRec.com:

All I can say is that his opponent's are really, really bad. He's 35 years old. He's fighting 4 and 6 round fights against punch drunk guys with losing records. Looking at this list of opponents, Derek Amos is actually a step up and may represent the biggest test in his career. Haggler a beast? My ass to that one! I agree whole heartedly with the person that said John Haggler's record is an embarrassment to the great sport of boxing! It really and truly is! What a load of crap, what a load of garbage his record is. He's not a professional boxer. He's a con man fooling boxing fans in to thinking that if you have a good record, you can fight.

I've got a match up for this "beast" called Haggler. How about Butterbean? Butterbean's big fat ass would stretch this nobody, no nothing, never will be bum within about a minute and a half of the very first round!

And now, without further delay, let's look at the "beast's" record. I'm going to throw up now.

boxer: Jonathan Haggler
Global ID 126291
sex male
birth date 1972-07-25
age 35
manager/agent register
division heavyweight
rating 468 / 1097
nationality United States
residence Winston-Salem, North Carolina, United States
stance southpaw
height 6′ 4″
US ID NC058552
won 18 (KO 13) + lost 1 (KO 1) + drawn 0 = 19
biography




schedule
date opponent W - L - D last 6 location tickets
2007-11-17 Derek Amos 15 (9) - 25 (18) - 0
ABC Sports Complex, Springfield, Virginia, United States 6 (540) 933-6895
2007-10-20 ?
North Gaston High School, Dallas, North Carolina, United States 8 (202) 270-0060


bouts
date Lb opponent Lb W - L - D last 6 location
2007-09-15 253 Alonzo Cutchins 233 7-16-0
ABC Sports Complex, Springfield, Virginia, United States W TKO 1 4
~ time: 0:37 | referee: Chris Wollesen ~

2006-04-29 249 Matt Green 268 13-16-0
Greensboro Coliseum, Greensboro, North Carolina, United States L TKO 2 4
~ referee: Al Coley | judge: Brandon Clancy | judge: Joel Dovenbarger | judge: Tom Hammond ~
Fight stopped due to Haggler dislocating his shoulder

2005-10-08 245½ Ralph West 254¾ 14-5-1
The Venue, Greensboro, North Carolina, United States W KO 2 6
~ time: 1:56 | referee: Al Coley | judge: Andrew Hopper, Jr. | judge: Gary Armstrong | judge: Donnie Jessup ~

2005-09-17 245 Jeff Pegues 240 18-14-0
The Venue, Greensboro, North Carolina, United States W TKO 3 6
~ time: 2:34 | referee: Dale Frye | judge: Joel Dovenbarger | judge: Brandon Clancy | judge: Barry Lindenman ~

2005-08-27 242 James Sealey 211 3-6-0
The Venue, Greensboro, North Carolina, United States W KO 1 6
~ time: 2:04 | referee: Bill Clancy | judge: Gary Armstrong | judge: Tom Hammond | judge: Kevin Scott ~

2005-01-15 256 Franklin Edmondson 230 13-27-1
Benton Convention Center, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, United States W DQ 6 6
~ referee: Bill Clancy | judge: Bill Barker | judge: Tim Gosch | judge: Andrew Hopper, Jr. ~
Edmondson DQ'd for repeated intentional fouls and holding

2004-12-03 251½ Myron Berryman 241¼ 3-10-0
VFW Hall, Morgantown, West Virginia, United States W KO 1 4
~ time: 2:55 | referee: Dave Johnson | judge: Gary Walden | judge: Mr. Smith | judge: David Ashley ~

2004-09-25 255 Clarence Goins 220 5-18-2
Knights of Columbus, Raleigh, North Carolina, United States W UD 4 4
~ referee: Al Coley | judge: Brandon Clancy | judge: Tom Hammond | judge: Kevin Scott ~

2004-04-29 Shane Hykes 2-16-0
The Plex, North Charleston, South Carolina, United States W TKO 1 0
2004-03-13 Trent Surratt 8-25-1
Radisson Hotel, Morgantown, West Virginia, United States W KO 2 4
2004-02-28 247 Randy Martin 236 2-7-0
Jarrell's Gym, Savannah, Georgia, United States W TKO 1 4
~ referee: George Chip ~

2003-11-01 Larry Simmons 400 0-3-0
Paradise Gym, York, South Carolina, United States W TKO 2 0
~ time: 0:58 | referee: Don Steele ~

2003-10-21 250 Ronald Burnett 230 0-6-0
Trap Nightclub, Nashville, Tennessee, United States W KO 1 4
2003-06-28 253 Leon Turner 202 0-4-0
Jarrell's Gym, Savannah, Georgia, United States W UD 4 4
~ referee: Brian Stutts ~

2003-03-29 250 Curt Render 223 6-13-0
Jarrell's Gym, Savannah, Georgia, United States W UD 4 4
~ referee: Jim Korb ~

2001-09-29 Phillip Wills 1-4-0
Martinsville, Virginia, United States W TD 2 0
2001-06-16 Corey Wise 0-0-0
Greensboro, North Carolina, United States W TKO 3 0
2001-03-17 Christopher Mitchell 0-0-0
Benton Convention Center, Winston-Salem, North Carolina, United States W KO 1 0
2000-07-21 Jimmy Townsend 0-2-0
Greensboro, North Carolina, United States W TKO 1 0

Anonymous said...

West and Pegues are considered legitimate trialhorse, journeymen fighters. Haggler blew them both away. He can punch a little bit if nothing else.

Anonymous said...

Yeah - it took this "big puncher" and "beast" Jon Haggler the same amount of time, 3 rounds, to knock out Jeff Pegues as it did that other big puncher, the man with so much power in his fists that I'm scared for his opponent when he gets in the ring with him, none other than CHRIS BYRD! That's right, Chris Byrd knocked out Jeff Pegues in 3 rounds just like the aforementioned "beast" and "huge puncher" Jonathan Haggler. I can't stand a big bum like Haggler who has an inflated record beating up on guys who are far worse than tomato cans. It makes the sport of boxing look terrible. It makes Haggler look like a coward. It makes the promotion and the fight look like a joke. It makes the VA commission look horrible. I mean, come one, put the guy against someone who is at least going to fight back. This is a "sporting" contest after all. What's sporting about watching Haggler demolish a washed up never was like Derek Amos? You know what this is? This is BULLSH*T!

Anonymous said...

Can't you do better than Derek Amos for Jonathan Haggler? Can't you put Ray Grant or Phillip Brown or Jonathan Felton or hell, even Wayne Hampton or somebody like that against him? What a fuc*ing joke!

Anonymous said...

This shit is F'N great! I love it!

Anonymous said...

Johnathan Felton was the first one
I called to fight Haggler and he
said he didn't want the fight.
you don't know everything you think you know. I also called about the seven footer in Maryland
and they didn't want any parts of him.So know what your are talking about before you start trying to belittle people or sling insults.
Scott Farmer

Anonymous said...

I can sling insults if I want to and Haggler is a bum with a capital B! You're proven he's a bum by fighting another bum like Amos! If you think Haggler is good put him in with somebody that has a chance! You know he'll lose, that's why! P I T I F U L and Haggler was his NAME - O!

Anonymous said...

Hey Brainless...

If you was Haggler's manager, who would you put him in against? Especially since he sells some tickets but can't fight for shit...

I know you ain't sellin' any tickets.

Promoters need guys like Haggler to help squeeze by so they can keep putting on shows so the real fighters, who don't sell any tickets, can have real fights.

Like Scott Farmer said... know what you're talking about...

Don't worry about Haggler... if you think he's a bum, he'll be exposed soon enough. But in the meantime, please let the promoters build him up so we can keep having some shows in the area. It's part of the business. It's not a perfect world.

But, if you're gonna keep slinging insults, at least come up with something good so we can all have a laugh instead of letting everyone know how jealous you are of someone having a bit more success than you.

Peace...

Anonymous said...

Nobody's jealous of anybody shit for brains. Build him up? Hell, this bum is 18 and FN 1. How much more built up you gotta get before you fight somebody? What Haggler and Farmer is doing is dishonest. They are trying to act like this guy can fight with an inflated record like that. He can't fight for shit. Plus, this is a great sport. Let's see some good competitive fights. I tolerate mismatches when a guy is early in his career. Maybe a guy has something, maybe he doesn't. But Haggler is 35 years old and is 18 and 1. He needs to fight somebody decent. All these guys are trying to do is stack up wins, get a TV fight for a little bit of money, and hope on a wing and a prayer that they are going to win. I'm saying my piece because this is one of the major things that's wrong with boxing. And if you can't see that BoxBible you're an FN dumbass!

Anonymous said...

BTW, that was Amen to Boxbible. Scott Farmer only began managing Haggler before his last fight when he had been inactive for over a year. Let Scott get comfortable with his abilities before he puts him in tough. It's harder than you think to promote these small local shows. It'd be easier to put Haggler in tough on someone else's show.

Anonymous said...

This site is full of people with an opinion and thats what it's for.
This guy who is full of nothing but negative stuff about Haggler
is probobly just someone who nobody else will listen too.
Scott Farmer said he offered the fight to some of the people who
this guy wanted Haggler to fight and they turned it down.
They must know more about John Haggler than this guy who is so negative.

Linda "Great Shot" Siadys said...

:)

Anonymous said...

This guy Haggler reminds me of the way things used to be done on the southern circuit of boxing. I thought things had improved dramatically in VA, but I guess not. South Carolina, GA, North Carolina, and the deep south commissions are jokes in the world of pro boxing. I thought VA was better than that. I guess not. When that con man crook, Doug Beavers, was the VA commissioner, he would let anything go, as long as the VA fighter won. Like VA ever had a lot of prospects that went anywhere with this "building policy". If you can't fight, you can't fight - plain and simple. This is flat out sorry. I hope the VA commissioner steps in and makes this Haggler guy fight somebody tougher than Amos. When you have commissions that let anything go, you have fights likes this. A promoter who is only interested in getting his fights wins and does not worry about the competitiveness of the fight, will get his "prospects" any "body" to beat on.

Anonymous said...

Hey Clueless,

Fake buildups of mediocre fighters never hurt the sport. The over-hyped eventually get exposed and no one complains about it.

But one of the things that does hurt boxing is the competition for nightly entertainment from TV, movies, internet, etc... without having to leave the comfort of your home.

It's mighty hard to get Joe Q. Public to fork out $40 for a night's fun that doesn't include sex. And without the Hagglers, the Jimmy Langes, and yes, the "Money" Mike Sawyers, there wouldn't be ANY shows for you to go to at all.

Just think back two years ago and try to remember how many shows you went to in the No VA area?

Then along came Han Kim and Scott Farmer with their padded shows and a banner month coming up in November.

Yeah, Haggler fighting Butterbean rejects is pretty bad... but not having any shows at all because all the ticket-sellers got bumped off... is even worse. I'll settle for the lesser of two evils.

Anonymous said...

That's short term thinking nit-wit. Besides, this bum is 18 and 1 and he's 35 years old. He's got to fight somebody! Virginia is on the move, it's time for the commission to step up the requirements. If the promoter can't find it in his budget to have Haggler fight somebody that's decent, then don't put him on. Also, Jimmy Lange didn't fight the same level of competition that Haggler fought, and is fighting, for as long as Haggler is fighting that type of competition. Also, for a guy like Money Mike to even have a boxing license makes boxing look like a joke. I guess I expect a lot more than you do asshole. For the record, the sport is called "Professional" boxing, let's have some Professionalism and don't forget the "Sporting" aspect of it. How about some competition? Competitive fights are what made Ballroom boxing the success it was and/or is. Forget this "building" stuff of over inflated never will be's like Haggler and hoping he's going to make some money in the sport. It's not going to happen, and I mean NEVER! Give me two guys who have an equal chance to win in a card full of 4 and 6 rounders and I'll be there everytime. Boxbible, you know I'm right. You've got some sense to you, don't think short term. Think about the sport of boxing and the ultimate success of the sport in the area and region. Don't be a jackass, jackass!

Anonymous said...

I see a lot of people on this site posting negative blogs all of the time. The sport of professional boxing is on the rise in va, why not shut the hell up and let it continue to riseup to be something special.? Now as far as people like haggler, money mike and others fighting peopl to build their records is what EVERYONE does. You show me a fighter in the top ten in the world today or 10 years ago who didn't start off fighting lesser opposition? they all did it, maybe with a handful of exeptions. People are hating on Va for letting people fight these kind of fights for what? DC, Md everyone does it. And how in the hell do you know who's going to make it this sport? You never know when the phone is going to ring!!!
So I think the next time you want to post a negative blog maybe you should try getting some fighters, Train them for years, and then get them fights and then we would see what you would do when you had to make these decisions. If you say that you would put the fighters in there tough every single time then you are the JACK ASS!!! Learn something about boxing, and look at the champions records on box rec and you can see for yourself.

Anonymous said...

A big DITTO to the last post :)

Anonymous said...

John Haggler is on the card at ABC
Nov 17 for a number of reasons but the main one is the promoter belives that he can fight .
Also I believe that the promoter
stated in a previous comment that the fight was offered to a number of heavyweights in the area and Derek Amos is the only one with big enough gonads to take the fight. Johnathan felton and John Haggler would be a heavy handed affair but the promoter told me that Felton doesn't want the fight this stage in his career.
Thats understandable it would probobly be too much for Johnathan
right now.You figure out which Johnathan that I'm talking about

Anonymous said...

SHHIIIITTTTTT! Jonathan Felton would knock that bum Haggler out! Felton wouldn't turn that fight down. I bet ya if Digital interviewed Felton and asked him if he would fight Haggler, Felton would say Hell Yeah!

Anonymous said...

you are correct... i would fight john haggler on the front steps of any police station and/or courthouse in america... i dont have a problem boxing/fighting any heavyweight this blog mentions.. its the politics in this sport that i cant fight and if u look at my record some of my losses were the result of politics... so anonymous thanks for the support and scott farmer u have my number..

Anonymous said...

To the critic:
I would implore you to look at Kelly Pavlik's record before you criticize Haggler. He is a world champion.

Anonymous said...

See, I told you Felton would fight him! And not only that, Felton will knock that big bum out cold! Make the fight Farmer!

Anonymous said...

You can call me a critic if you want, but I am not really criticizing, I am only stating the fax. You want to compare Kelly Pavlik's early fights to that big bum Jonathan Haggler's early fights? You must be illiterate and ignorant in that you can't read a boxing record!

Kelly Pavlik fought a guy 1-0-1 in his pro debut.

Then he fought a guy 4 and 2 in his 5th fight, 2 and 1 in his 6th, 9 and 11 in his 7th, 7 and 1 in his 8th (Grady Brewer the Contender champ by the way), and from this point on he only fought one guy with a losing record! Kelly Pavlik is legit which is why he fought progressively tougher opposition. Jonathan Haggler is a bum who can't fight a fuc*ing lick! In contrast, his first ten fights were as follows:
1st 0 - 2, 2nd 0 and 0, 3rd 0 and 0, 4th 1 and 4, 5th 6 and 13, 6th 0 and 4, 7th 0 and 6, 8th 0 and 3, 9th 2 and 7, 10th 8 and 25. And then after that it's not really any better. Just two guys with winning records, both guys being the "usual suspects" of cannon fodder. All I'm saying is this, Jon Haggler's record is a big lie! All you're doing is trying to get W after W after W in the hopes of getting him a money fight. He's a bum, he's not going anywhere. And before I forget, fighting Alonzo Cutchin in his last fight? Come on, what a fuc*ing fraud and a joke that is. Cutchin hasn't won a fight since 1990! That's 17 years jackass! Now you're putting him in with Derek Amos who struggled with 45+ year old, and a former welterweight, Willie Taylor. Amos is punchy, he slurs his words, he has nothing left at all and will provide absolutely zero opposition to Haggler other than being beaten up on for about two to four rounds. What a joke! Just like the previous post said, put him in with Felton. Felton will fight his ass! Plus, Felton is 5 and 9, what are you afraid of? I believe that was even Jonathan that posted that said he would fight Haggler. Come on, get the fight done. At least that one is competitive. Give the people something for the money and stop being a con man and having your fighter be a coward and a con man to boot! Save the sport, save the sport! Boycott this BullSh*t fight between Amos and Haggler!

Anonymous said...

You've got me piss fuc*ing off now! You must think all boxing fans are ignorant by saying EVERYONE builds their fighters like Haggler is being built. You're an idiot, a liar, and you're trying to perpetrate a fraud by the name of Jonathan Haggler. Here's an example jerk off! According to BoxRec.com the following fighters are the best in their respective weight classes:

Here are 5 fighters in various weight classes showing the combined records of their first ten opponents when these fighters fought them.

Wladimir Klitschko's first ten opponents had a combined record of 94 and 110 when he fought them.

Jean Marc Mormeck's first ten opponents had a combined record of
64 and 53.

Bernard Hopkins first ten guys were
33 and 42.

Joe Calzaghe's first ten guys were 97 and 142.

Floyd Mayweather's first ten guys were 78 and 54.

Jonathan Haggler's first ten opponents were:

17 and 68.

For his whole career with a record of 18 and 1, his opponents are a combined:

96 and 196.

Don't give that bullsh*t about EVERYONE building fighters like you do! Fighters that can't fight are built like this, and they never amount to a darn thing because they can't fight a fuc*ing lick. I'll say it again, you're making the sport loook bad, you're making yourself look bad, you're making the commission look bad, and you're making your fighter look like a coward! This is a "professional sport" - it should be competitive and it should be sporting and it should be professional. This is bush league bullsh*t at best (or should I say it's worst)!

Anonymous said...

All hail the Crusader! I want this guy as King of the Boxing Universe! Valid points all, if you can fight, you can fight. If you can't, you're fuc*ed!

Anonymous said...

I'm buying a ticket and looking forward to the fight despite your big mouth. You should just ask Haggler out instead of trying to conceal your gay love for him by running your mouth.

Anonymous said...

You seemed to have conveniently left out a bunch of Pavlik's fights.

Anonymous said...

You really have some nerve trying to compare Jon Haggler to Kelly Pavlik. There is no comparison at all. One guy is a world class fighter the other guy is a coward of gigantic proportions. Fight somebody for crying out loud. The guy is 18 and 1. Here's another guy for you, Tony "The Tiger" Thompson, his first 11 opponents were 51 and 38.

Ruslan Chagaev's first ten guys were: 147 and 154.

Sam Peter's first ten guys were:
54 and 80.

Oleg Maskaev'a first ten guys were:
123 and 74.

Nikolai Valuev's first ten guys were: 25 and 42. (This is even far better than Haggler's competition).

Hell, even a certified bum like Calvin Brock's first ten guys were:
93 and 86.

Jon Haggler is a bum, he knows he's a bum which is why he won't fight anybody. You know he's a bum which is why you won't put him against anyone on the upcoming show.

Anonymous said...

Wow!!! I didn't know Haggler was even the star of the show of the next fight coming up. I was wanting to see Andrew Farmer and Jaime Palma fight but I'll keep my eye out for this guy Haggler. Looks like a real good card coming together.

Anonymous said...

Dear Sir,
To the gentleman with some bad things to say. I don't even know who John Haggler is really. You have some negative things to say about Mr.Farmer. Mr.Farmer is a great coach. He has people like myself who beg him for the opportunity to fight. I think he does a great job putting together fights which is not easy. I wish you could appreciate that more as a boxing fan. Thanks.

-Tommy "Sparkplug" Neal

Anonymous said...

For the guy that had to talk about Doc Beaversget your fact right. In NoVa the biggest promoter was from NJ and it was guys from NJ, PA and Md that did most of the fighting. You had folks like Bee Scottland and Darnell Wilson fighting in VA. Butch Lewis sent fighters down. So before you start talking about the dead please get your facts right.

Anonymous said...

Tommy Neal,

You seem to be a very nice guy. You're probably very young and eager and really want to do something special in the boxing world. I hope that you, and all boxers that have the same dream, achieve their success. It's not so much Jon Haggler that I have a problem with on a personal level, it is the fact that a boxer can build such a great record without fighting absolutely anybody at all. That is bad for the sport as a whole, and it's bad for the person that bought a ticket to watch the fights. I remember going to shows throughout the years and in one corner you had a guy who really wasn't very good at all and in the other corner you had a guy who was homeless, or on crack, or something like that. There were full cards of fights like these. There was absolutely ZERO doubt as to who would win and who would lose. The end result was that you had guys with great records who couldn't fight a lick. You had a card full of 1 round knockouts and I was lighter in the wallet by $40 because I wanted to support the local boxing scene. And I quit going because I love the sport of boxing and I wanted to see competitive matchups. Thank God that Ballroom Boxing came on the scene and I have gone to almost every show there. Their motto - "We don't care which corner wins, we want competitive fights!" The Maryland commission has done a fantastic job for years as have the other promoters in the state, namely Jake Smith. I have really been impressed by Virginia the last couple of years. I thought they finally shook the ghost of their former commissioner, Doug Beavers. And to the post that said Beavers left one hell of a legacy, it may sound harsh because he has passed, but he is spot on right. Those shows with Jimmy Lange in Fairfax, VA are some of the best shows I have seen outside of Las Vegas and some of the bigger Atlantic City cards. The smaller shows have been pretty good too. I've gone to Scott Farmer's shows at the ABC, I've gone to Han Kim's shows at the ABC, I've gone to the Patriot Center, heck, I even paid $100 to go to the Hilton in McLean, VA to watch 4 and 6 round fights! And for the record, those fights were excellent! Great job by the promoter Jackie Kallen. I also go to all of Jake Smith's shows and all the Ballroom Boxing shows. I LOVE the sport which is why I hate a bum like Jon Haggler fight a bunch of guys who have no chance to beat him. It reminds me of the bad old days and a whole lot of bad boxing. At the stage he's at in his career there is no way he should consider fighting somebody who isn't at least close to .500. The lone guy in the area that has a record below .500 that would be an exception for him to fight would be Jon Felton. And that's because Jon Felton will fight him, he'll make it competitive, and Felton will probably knock that big bum out! All right, I'm done. This is nothing personal at all against Haggler or the promoter, I'm just trying to expose this type of "record building" which hurts our great sport far more than it helps the fighter and his team (promoter, manager, etc.) by building such an inflated record. In actuality, a fighter with an inflated record like Haggler, who has no experience fighting someone who is going to fight him back, if he ever lands a decent money fight against someone pretty good, he's going to get exposed, he won't be ready for the challenge, and he'll probably get knocked out in a very painful manner.

Anonymous said...

Yo Idiot:

(Yeah, I'm talking to the guy who was talking about Darnell Wilson and Bee Scotland fighting in VA).

Darnell Wilson has NEVER fought in Virginia.

Bee Scottland fought in Virginia 4 times:

in 1999 in Chantilly, VA he fought one Jerome Hill who was 1 win and 30 losses at the time. Bee was 13 wins, 4 losses, 2 draws at the time.

Also, in 1999 he fought James Mullins not once but twice. Mullins was 6 wins, 58 losses, 2 draws the first time and the second time he fought Scottland he was 6 Wins 59 losses, 2 draws.

Bee also fought Jerome Hill once again in 1999 in Virginia. Hill was 1 and 36 at the time.

Perhaps it was Bee's padded record which led the New York boxing commission to approve his ill fated bout with George Jones? A lot of good that record got him. Maybe if he would have fought some better competition, he would have been better prepared for his fight with Jones?

What about James Mullins and Jerome Hill? Those guys are human beings too. They had no business being allowed to fight Beethaven Scottland by the commissioner Doug Beavers. Jerome Hill had a final record of 1 win and 48 losses (knocked out 30 times). He's 47 years old now. I wonder if he can even put a complete sentence together.

What about James Mullins? He was active as recently as August 2006 and has a record of 7 wins, 68 losses (knocked out 39 times). It looks like he's taken his show over to Tennessee because when Virginia got rid of Beavers, the new commissioner became wise to this type of thing. He's 38 years old now. Let's hope he lives until he's 100 and has all his marbles intact.

Don't you see how boxing can be viewed as a joke when fights matching Bee Scottland against these two guys, James Mullins and Jerome Hill, are allowed to take place? What could Bee Scottland have possibly learned in those fights? Obviously those guys weren't very good and offered up no competition to Scottland. How could any commissioner in his right mind approve those bouts? How can those bouts even be called a professional sport? How can it be called professional boxing? Don't mess with me idiot, you're the one who doesn't know the facts.

Anonymous said...

WOW! - This guy makes a lot of sense!

Anonymous said...

Nope, if anything you're the idiot. How can a guy who is 5 and 9 like Felton have "people". I believe what anonymous was referring to was that Felton would put forth a much better fight than would Amos. I, for one, am inclined to believe with Mr. Anonymous. I was at Amos's fight with Willie Taylor. If you know anything of Willie's history, he was at his best as a welterweight. And that was about 10 to 15 years ago. For the record, Willie Taylor's career record, prior to fighting Amos, was 13 and 23. Even without having fought in over ten years, and fighting at heavyweight, Willie still almost knocked Derek Amos out in the first round! That tells you more about Derek Amos's diminishing skills than Willie Taylor's ability as a fighter. Now they want to put Amos in with a 250 pound heavyweight who is 18 and 1? Where is the sport in that?

Anonymous said...

you people are overreacting
to this whole Derek Amos VS
John Haggler thing .Do any of you know if there has even been a contract for the fight signed yet?
I have been reading the opinions and comments on this subject for about a week now and I can't believe how you people grab a subject or a fighter and run with it,especially those of you with the negative opinions of Johnathan Hagler.You people have barbacued the guy for a while now and I'll bet he hasn't said anything negative about any of you,he is that type of person. He will fight anybody I put in front of him and whoever it is I can assure you they will have their hands full.
He is a very personable and likeable man and someone who could be a huge asset to boxing especially in our area so if a few of you negative people could find it in your heart to get behind this guy I think in the long run you will be plesantly surprised to what he can accomplish and bring to our area.. None of my comments or remarks are meant to be sarcastic or cutting in any way so I hope those of you with comments
will try not to barbcue me along with Haggler.

Scott Farmer

Anonymous said...

Scott,

We don't want to barbecue you but put somebody in the other corner that will fight Haggler back. Derek Amos has NO chance.

Thanks,

A Boxing Fan

Anonymous said...

Too many "anonymous" guys here...

Why don't you guys grow some balls and post your real names like I do...

Anonymous said...

Here are my initials, BoxBible (you'll probably figure it out):

MFG

Anonymous said...

I've watched this thread for some time and with much hesitation I feel I have to state a few simple facts and 1 opinion based on knowing both John and Derek.
First MY humble opinion...this is a very bad fight for Derek. I care about Derek and his family and I have made my feelings known. He doesn't need this fight at this stage of life (forget career).
Fact...Scott does not manage John Haggler.
Fact...John decided ON HIS OWN to branch out from NC to begin to take on tougher opposition NOW that his shoulder is better.
Fact...John is very aware of what his record looks like and as he gets more confident with his shoulder, you will see him step up.

I appreciate J. Felton chiming in with class and respect. I don't think we have to get personal or nasty to have a discussion. Mr. Felton, if you want to discuss a bout with John Haggler email me at:
asim@east-westgym.com

Asim

Anonymous said...

Asim -

If I'm correct, you have worked with Derek Amos in the past and you advised Derek to hang up the gloves. See folks, here is a guy with a conscience, he knows Derek doesn't have a chance against a guy he trains, Jon Haggler. Your honor, I have here exhibit A - someone within the boxing world who has some common sense - Asim! Asim used to work with Derek Amos and is now working with Jon Haggler (or I believe that is the case). He doesn't want his former charge Amos to fight his current fighter Haggler because he knows it's a mismatch of dangerous and horrible proportions. For God's sake, these are human beings in there. Asim, thank you for coming in to the conversation and please clarify your role in training and/or managing Jon Haggler. I was under the impression that Haggler was either managed or promoted by Scott Farmer. I may have been mistaken about that. Also, I was the one who was torching Haggler's record, and with good reason. It is nothing personal against Haggler, but he has got to fight somebody who is going to fight him back and Derek Amos just ain't it! Thank you for bringing some sanity to this insane, absurd matchup between Derek Amos and Jonathan Haggler! Asim, we await your response.

MFG

Anonymous said...

All I can really say is, "Digital Williams For President!" Digital, thank you for allowing boxing fans the opportunity to speak their mind! This is really unbelievable stuff! Very entertaining, very enlightening, very informative.

Anonymous said...

This thread illustrates to me that there are some really passionate boxing fans in the area. And some really smart ones too. Boxbible talked about competition for the entertainment dollar. He's exactly right. While competing for that dollar, is it so much to ask for a competitive fight featuring a "prospect" like Jon Haggler who is 18 and 1? I for one think not. The flip side to the "Haggler is a bum argument" are those that are protecting the sport of boxing, the show's promoter, and perhaps the sport itself. I think they also make some good points, but quite honestly, their view is limited and short sighted. Take it from me, a boxing fan most of my 60 plus years on this earth. A fight has to be competitive. That doesn't mean putting your fighter in tough every time. It means giving him someone who is at least going to provide some type of resistance, some form of competition. Well done Bloggers and I too echo the sentiment of Digital for President! Paint The White House Black Baby! (To all you P-Funkers out there)

Gary Digital Williams said...

I appreciate the last two comments as well as this great discussion!

This has been a fascinating debate and I appreciate the fact that there hasn't been an abundance of name calling and a lot more facts and opinions back and forth.

Like Asim, I'm more concerned with Derek Amos than Jonathan Haggler. I've followed Amos literally since his pro debut. I really did feel that Derek should have stopped after his loss to William Bailey in Fisherville this past April. He just didn't have it that night.

I'm not criticizing that the Amos-Haggler bout is made. Haggler will at least go into the ring with someone who has faced some quality opposition. All prospects need that kind of opponent at some point in their career.

Anonymous said...

But come on Gary. At 18 and 1 fighting a guy like Amos? I can see a guy 4 and 0 or 5 and 0, something like that, fighting Amos in their first 6 round bout. But 18 and 1? And, as a previous post said, his one loss was because of a shoulder injury and not because he got beaten in the ring (even though the record books show it as a loss, but you get my drift). This guy should be 19 and 0! And fighting Derek Amos? Nope, I'm not going away that easy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks everybody Johnathan Haggler has gotten a great deal of P.R.from this and he is a good guy and I'm sure he appreaciates it

Anonymous said...

Yeah, he's gotten PR alright but is it good PR or bad PR? I would say he is now more infamous than he was famous. Fight somebody you bum!

Anonymous said...

why don't everybody give it a rest.
The Haggler Amos bout hasn't been made and is not going to be made.

Anonymous said...

Who's he gonna fight?

How about the following:

Phil Brown
Ray Grant
Wayne Hampton
Jon Felton

It's got to be one of those guys.

Anonymous said...

Hey MFG how about in your ear with a glass of beer ,Jack.
He may fight one of these guys but it won't be because you decided that he would.
How about you or one of these self proclaimed critics putting up
25 thousand dollars and promoting a show yourself.You and people like you have no idea what goes on when putting on a show ,all you can do is sit bsck and flap your gums.
Because you have watched boxing for 20 years or so doesn't make you an expert on promoting.
joe Hensley,Scott Farmer,Jake smith,Han Kim,Johnny Lange, these are the experts.
These are the people that sacrafice
daily so they can put on local shows and try to move some of the
young talent in the area.

Anonymous said...

Asim is not training jon Haggler,
This is a fact
Asim trains jons brother Joe Haggler who got knocked out by
Terry Roy in Winchester, Fact
Asim Has nothing to do with the
management of jon Haggler Fact,Jack

Anonymous said...

As my man Bill Murray said in the classic movie STRIPES:

"THAT'S THE FACTS, JACK!"

I love this SHIIITTTTTTTT!

Anonymous said...

Correct, I do not manage John. I don't think I said that. John is self managed. I do train Joe and do have contact with the Haggler
family.
BTW- Joe did lose to Terry who I have a lot of respect for. He's a great person.
I have to give Joe a lot of credit though. He fought a competitive 3 rds before gassing out, Terry already had about 6 fights, that was Joe's very first fight ever, at 40 years old and was the lighter man. Joe accomplished this after coming into the gym in Jan. We have no problem with the loss.
Again, my main concern is for Derek.

Anonymous said...

For the person that spends all their time talking about boxing in VA first I made a mistake about Darnell Wilson fighting there.

Now if you have so many problems whit Va why not do something besides whine. When Doug Beavers was removed as comissioner you could have applied for the job or you can become part of the commission and voice your concerns or you can become a promoter giving all us the class fights you call for. Now tell me when was the last time you had a big time fight in MD/DC/VA area? Were you at the Corrales benefit? All the fights were competitive and it made for a good night of boxing. Pleas do something beside running your mouth. Find out what hapens behind the scene. I for one applaud the efforts being made by the 3 states because you have to have regular fights in order to improve the attendance. If you don't sell tickets then you don't make money.

Anonymous said...

after reading some of this stuff before going to work I feel compelled to comment on one thing.
When Terry Roy beat Joe Haggler it was not by knockout as the record may indicate,Plain and simple Joe ran out of gas and the ref decided that it would be better to let joe fight another day. I was the promoter on this show and Joe gave a valiant effort and had he not gotten tired in his mind the outcome might be suprising.
What would be great is for joe to have a couple more fights and then lock up with Terry Roy again.
Asim give me a call and we will try to find a way to put him on the shows and get him some experience.
Scott Farmer

Anonymous said...

To the person defending Doug Beavers,

I know who you are. Your last initial is B. You have been in boxing a long time and have a pretty good rep. There are some people throughout the years that said you would offer a certain amount of money on a contract and then send the contract with a lot less money on it. Then you would say, well you said yes to the fight. I know how you operate. Just like most of those old school cats, just like Doug Beavers. Well, I'm from the old school too. I was old school before it even had a name, and after reading this my friend Mr. B, you may be able to figure out who I am as well. But I don't care really. I've been in boxing even longer than you have and I'm just like a lot of other people in the sport, some people say great things, some people say bad things. I can look at myself in the mirror and know that I always tried to do the right thing with my life and with my sport.

Here's the problem I had with the Haggler vs. Amos matchup. It was a sham, it was a farce, it would not be competitive, and it was a dangerous fight for Amos because he would have been slaugthered. One of the previous posts said Haggler may DESTROY Amos. Don't forget the human element here folks, Derek Amos is a human being with a family. He should not even be allowed to fight Jon Haggler. Now here's where I have a problem with Doug Beavers. He would let garbage shows go for years which were full of matchups like Haggler vs. Amos. Virginia has done a good job of exorcising the ghost of Beavers and it is now a hotbed of activity. I disagree with you about big fights not being in the area when you said "tell me when a big fight has been in MD/VA/DC?" - I would say all of the Jimmy Lange fights in Fairfax would qualify as big fights from a financial perspective. Every single one of those fights drew 3,000 plus people and as many as possibly 7,000 people. That's a lot of people for a boxing match. That's no site fee, no TV, that's all ticket sales and sponsorship and nobody in the entire USA is producing those types of gate figures without the benefit of TV or a casino. Those are big fights. It doesn't matter what you think about Jimmy Lange as a fighter, he is a far bigger draw than fighters who are world champions from the area and who may have been better fighters than Lange: William Joppy, Keith Holmes, Sharmba Mitchell, Mark Johnson, etc. You could put all of those guys on one card and they wouldn't draw the numbers and the paid gate that Jimmy Lange does. And, as a previous post said which had a quote from one of my favorite movies of all time - Stripes: "THAT'S THE FACTS, JACK!" Now then, I was at the benefit show and those fights were outstanding! As I said in a previous post, I paid $100 for my ticket to see 4 four round fights and 1 6 round fight (I believe that's right) and all of those fights were competitive sporting contests. Job well done! That's why I've harped so hard on this Haggler thing. He's fought in North Carolina for most of his fights. Historically, they have a very soft commission and they will let anything go. Teddy Atlas, for example, will harp on soft commissions when he's on ESPN, but as a trainer he has taken many a fighter "down south"! What a hypocrite! Doug Beavers, the former VA commissioner, and admitted liar, thief, and rat, would let garbage like Haggler vs. Amos go all the time. Virginia is on the move. They have ascended to a level that is comparable with some of the bigger boxing states. They will never get to the level of Nevada because that's where all the big fights will go. But in my mind, with the run that VA has had the last 3 years, and the quality of fights I have witnessed in those years, I would say VA's commission can't be classified as soft as it was during Beaver's tenure. If you want to kill boxing in VA, just have all the Jon Haggler vs. Derek Amos matchups you want. I'm looking long term, not short term. I don't want anymore Bee Scottland vs. a guy 1 and 36 anymore. Those days are dead and gone. Let's keep it that way.

Anonymous said...

I know who that guy is too. His initials are:

JDB

Anonymous said...

A note to all the experienced people with so much advice and so called knowledge.
Get out your damn wallet out and promote some shows and show everybody how it's done.
It is very easy to match make with somebody else's money but dig deep
in your own pocket and see if your own advice still applies.
I think not! you bunch of Hypocrites

Most of the guys who promote around
DC.,Maryland,and virginia I know or
have been associated with in some way over the past twenty years and they have done an outstanding job
considering all the money they lose
and all the bullshit they have to go through to make a show is more than any of you mouth pieces would do.Stuff something in your mouth
you bunch of. Well I'll just leave it at that

Anonymous said...

First let me say that I do not have a B in my first or last name. I too have been at the fights at the Patriot center and also at the benefit show. They are for sure a step up. Now NoVa did not have more than 1 or 2 fights a year. Now the years you are talking about were the bad years in VA boxing. Prior to that Doc Beavers was bringing championship fights to both Richmond, Norfolk and Roanoke. There also is no way you could have known more about Doc or what actually happened. He did wrong and I was a big enough man to forgive him because none of us are perfect. I didn't get my information from the media. But as I said before become part of the process instead of whining about it. Oh the other thing is I can care less who you.

Once again put up or please shut up.

Anonymous said...

I am in agreement with the person that says dig in your pockets. If they only knew how many show would not have happened if Doc Beavers had not found a fighter because one pulled out of the show.

Anonymous said...

Doug Beavers was a crook, a con man, and a thief! So what if you forgave him, good for friggin' you! He was on the take, and he was a cheap mark at that! Just like Gotti and all the mob guys used to say about cops on the take. Mob guys didn't respect the cops who were "on the payroll". Not because the cops were dishonest, that wasn't the point at all. It's because they could buy the cops off so cheap! That was Beavers, he was on the take, it is well documented. And it was for chump change! What a legacy! Where were these title fights? The only ones I can recall were with Pernell Whitaker and that's because Main Events promoted those fights in Whitaker's hometown of Norfolk at the Scope. Plus, they put some fights on at the Hampton Coliseum as well. That really didn't have anything to do with Beavers. Don't forget, Main Events actually had an office in Virginia in the Hampton Roads/Norfolk, VA area and made the area their base of operations to build their 1984 Olympic fighters. I know for a FACT that Doug Beavers allowed guys to fight who were pulled right out of the audience!

Anonymous said...

You are probably right. I'm just reading the blog and don't have an opinion but Terry Norris defended his title in Richmond, VA while Beavers was running the show.

Anonymous said...

Yep,

That's true and it was against Vincent Pettway. Forgot about that one.

Anonymous said...

Saturday 24 February 1996
Richmond Coliseum, Richmond, Virginia, USA
division boxer Lb opponent Lb
light middleweight Terry Norris 150¾ W Vincent Pettway 151 TKO 8 12
~ time: 2:41 | referee: Larry Doggett | judge: Robert Exton 70-61 | judge: Wayne Peters 70-61 | judge: Angel L. Guzman 70-61 ~
~ WBC light middleweight title ~
~ IBF light middleweight title ~

heavyweight Oliver McCall 232 W Oleg Maskaev 229½ TKO 1 10
~ time: 1:38 | referee: Joseph Cooper | judge: Oscar Bryan | judge: Vaughn LaPrade | judge: John Witt ~

heavyweight Tony Tucker 242 L Orlin Norris 215 SD 10 10
light heavyweight Franklin Edmondson 177 L Darrin Allen 170 TKO 10 10
Carl Daniels 162 W Tim Dendy 160 TKO 6 0
Terron Millett 141 W Clifford Hicks 141 TKO 3 0
Tim Austin 118 W Miguel Espinoza KO 1 0
William Guthrie 175 W Jerome Hill 168 TKO 2 0
super flyweight Ysaias Zamudio 115 W Armando Diaz KO 7 0
David Kamau 141 W Tomas Valdez TKO 2 0
heavyweight Sam Hampton 232 W Mark Johnson 216 KO 2 0
middleweight Tim Scott 160 L Clem Tucker 152 TKO 2 0
lightweight Christy Martin 136 W Del Pettis TKO 1 0


I know I'm a little off topic here but holy shit... I count 13 boxers on here that fought for a major world title. This was undoubtably the biggest card in the history of the state of VA.

Footnote: None other than Jerome Hill fought on this card.

Bo

Gary Digital Williams said...

I actually attended the Richmond show. It was a Don King promotion and King actually gave major discounts on prices for this show.

It was a huge success and a really solid card.

Anonymous said...

This has been the John Haggler and
Doug Beavers show for a week now
and I'm glad it's just about over
John Haggler will fight on November17 and Doc Beavers will stay right where he's at and never be able to tell on anybody else
anymore.
End of story.

Anonymous said...

It's not about Beavers telling on anyone. It's that this one man almost single handedly KILLED boxing in Virginia!

Anonymous said...

When Jimmy Lange fought at the Patriot Center against Perry Ballard, they drew like 5,000 to 6,000 I think.

Then pops got silly talking about only top fighters for Jimmy now!!! Then he went and got knocked out. Since then, they've been pulling in a whole lot less at the Patriot Center.

What if they had continued with opponents of Ballard's calibre... guys who look decent but aren't that good. The promotions would've gotten bigger and bigger and they could have developed the real talent on the undercard being able to afford the exact competition the young tigers need.

By the time Lange finally met his match and lost marquee value, they would have had several of the top local fighters ready to break into contender status and replace Lange as marquee value fighters.

But no. The ticket seller is dead and no such thing is gonna happen.

A show doesn't have to be ALL competitive matches or ALL tank jobs. There's usually a couple of protected ticket sellers who are subsidizing the building up of non-ticket-selling prospects. That's the only way it can really work for most of these club show promoters.

Anonymous said...

That is true! By the way, it wasn't Chris Middendorf that made the fight between Jimmy Lange and Joey Gilbert. It was Johnny Lange! Lange is really the promoter of the show, he calls ALL the shots! It doesn't matter who the promoter of record really is: Gene Molovinsky, Joe Hensley, or Jackie Kallen - Johnny Lange, Jimmy's dad, runs the whole F/N show! And Johnny, in all of his infinite wisdom, matched his boy against Joey Gilbert at almost 160 lbs.! Jimmy is a welterweight for all purposes, maybe 154 MAX! Gilbert is huge as a middleweight. Way to go jerkoff! And since then, with the exception of the card that had JP Flaim from the Junkies, those cards didn't draw 1,500 people. I don't care about the papered house figures of 4,000 to 5,000 etc. I'm talking about customers that were actually there. Those guys are losing their F/N ass! Johnny got his boy beat, and in the process, they aren't really building anybody. And they talk about Lange being a draw! There's an awful lot of empty seats in the Patriot Center if he's such a F/N draw! Bullsh*t! He can't fight, he's been exposed as a fraud, and everything his father touches turns to sh*t! Way to F it up Johnny Boy!

Anonymous said...

My last comment about Doc Beavers. It was not Doc that almost killed boxing in VA it was the Commonwealth of Virginia. The did not put any importance on Boxing because they did not make any money off boxing. There are expenses that the state has to pay. Also one of the biggest draws in NoVa was Perry Ballard which is why the arena was full. The bggest VA draws are Robles, Rivera and Adam Seale none of which are from NoVa. Jimmy Lange's next fight should draw a good crowd. We will see what the crowd is or if folks are just going to complain on this blog.

Anonymous said...

Now I guess it's time to pick on Johnny Lange.You fucking guys kill me,and if you think Johnny Lange
Gives a shit about what you think
you are badly mistaken.
Johnny has and always will do what the hell he wants.
To say that Jimmy can't fight is bullshit as well.
To put things into perspective for you Jimmy may never win a major world title but the world is full of fighters who never win any kind of title. In his last fight with cabell he showed alot of grit and determination and even improvment on his skills. The Langes have brought boxing shows back to the area and not as many ,but are still having a bigger gate than
anybody else. If you are a true boxing fan try to be glad that people are promoting shows and stop criticizing or better yet get off of your tired ass and promote a show yourself.
I think you will find that it's not as easy as you think

Anonymous said...

Hello!!! The main reason Jimmy Lange got that big crowd was because of "The Contender" exposure... or whatever show he was LUCKY ENOUGH to get on...

Otherwise he'd be hard-pressed to outdraw Perry Ballard.

Anonymous said...

good going boxbible, you finally fixed your computer hah?

Anonymous said...

Hey Mr.Boxbible:
Tell us what you think about these fighers of past but still very much in he local boxing scene.
Pettway-tainer
S.Farmer-trainer&promoter
H.Kim-promoter
M.Johnson-manager
and who has more influences in local boxing.

Anonymous said...

There are some pretty horrible trainers in the area, but Farmer and Pettway seem more serious than most... neither has produced any serious fighter yet so only time will tell as to their training skills.

Kim and Farmer, as promoters, get A+ for perseverance in the face of insurmountable odds in the DC-VA area. Lack of big names, no ideal venue, plethora of competing entertainment, etc...

So far, Kim has scored a USBA title with Nwodo and an ESPN appearance and has leveraged that to sign a couple of good fighters. Farmer's been moving his son real well so far and is garnering a solid rep too. Most guys like them would have closed shop long ago.

Johnson's got good connections from his days as champ, no doubt. All he needs are a couple of real good fighters and a bit of dough to move them and he could probably easily secure a promotional deal with one of the major players. But he's still early in the game so his skills at boxing management are yet to be determined.

Managing, at top level, is all about investing in development and praying that your fighter stands up when it counts. That's why I think it's better to find out earlier what your fighter is made of rather than later, after he's burnt a hole in your wallet.

Anonymous said...

Box-Bible,

Stop asking yourself all of those questions, answering them yourself, and pretending your someone else and stop being a big know it all. You don't know everything you think you know chump! I don't see you promoting any shows. Jimmy Lange was a household name in these parts long before the Contender. And that's because Ballroom Boxing was on the air during his building years. Jimmy Lange and Darnell Wilson became names in this area because of Ballroom Boxing! Get it right chump and stop being a know it all!

Anonymous said...

actually, that's brilliant. Thank you. I'm going to pass that on to a couple of people.

Anonymous said...

Hello all!

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

Hello all!

Anonymous said...

Good job!

Anonymous said...

I heard that "The Punisher" Palma will NOT be featured on this card.

Is that true?

Gary Digital Williams said...

I haven't received definitive word on that, but I've been hearing they are having problems finding Palma an opponent.

I hope to get info on this card over the weekend.